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I don't know anyone that is a successful casino AP that seems addicted to gambling. Some poker players on the other hand seem to have more vices.
I might be considered a part time AP and I am personally sick and tired of gambling.

Unfortunately, I do. However, they are addicted to +EV only.I have read all these exact same posts on another forum. Also I have read these same posts repeated in this thread.
Phil says lets move on. Then he will start another new thread with the same things. Babs told me to butt out and leave Phil alone. I am trying Babs but he makes it difficult and you will notice many others have chimed in.

I'm usually one of the biggest skeptics aroind when it comes to stuff like that. And I really dislike the fact that Bob Dancer (or anyone) writes and teaches the public how to AP.

There was a time when I doubted his claims. I played 'no money' video poker against other players on another website for a couple of years. The game I played was a +EV game. They started you out with 10,000 points. My point balance grew to 40,000 points when I quit playing. Even though I wasn't playing for real, that result changed my mind.
Playing video poker requires a revenue source. You don't walk in homeless with no money and start hitting royals. I am certain Bob Dancer has a huge bankroll. I don't think he got it by managing databases. I'm sure it took years and a lot of discipline.
I am sure there are many people who wish he wouldn't have let the cat out of the bag. I'm positive the odds reductions we are seeing are due to better players. If it wasn't him, someone would have done it. Even though I'm not an AP, I'm thankful.

I am sure there are many people who wish he wouldn't have let the cat out of the bag. I'm positive the odds reductions we are seeing are due to better players. If it wasn't him, someone would have done it. Even though I'm not an AP, I'm thankful.

I first remember reading about AP video poker from Lenny Fromme. I bought his book.

I'm positive the odds reductions we are seeing are due to better players.

I don't think so. I think casinos have learned that people will play games with 10%-15% holds so have a small hold video poker machine just brings down their house average. Sadly, I see lots of people everyday playing 5% hold video poker.

There was a time when I doubted his claims. I played 'no money' video poker against other players on another website for a couple of years. The game I played was a +EV game. They started you out with 10,000 points. My point balance grew to 40,000 points when I quit playing. Even though I wasn't playing for real, that result changed my mind.
Playing video poker requires a revenue source. You don't walk in homeless with no money and start hitting royals. I am certain Bob Dancer has a huge bankroll. I don't think he got it by managing databases. I'm sure it took years and a lot of discipline.
I am sure there are many people who wish he wouldn't have let the cat out of the bag. I'm positive the odds reductions we are seeing are due to better players. If it wasn't him, someone would have done it. Even though I'm not an AP, I'm thankful.

I dont know how much Bob had when he started. I certanly dont think he was pumped up from what I belive he indicated. IIRC he started playing .25 at a small casino that offered some really good easy to win drawings he pretty much had locked up.
Agian, Im very very skeptical you read any of his books. since I know all that just from the stuff I have read online here and there.
you must hwve ignored my oist where there have been morw tuan one person that started with nothing and no other income ans did very well.

According to his book, he had an investor a couple times when finding a play above his bankroll.
Both times iirc he cut them out extremely quickly after making a little money to the point there there would have been close to zero chance they would have invested in him had they know he was going to pull that, that quickly. negative EV for them when if you run bad you eat all the loss but as soon as you make any amount of money it’s over. Maybe not if it was a high edge low variance play but they weren’t of course which is surely why he wanted an investor.

It would depend on what the deal is. If it was some kind of free roll deal then I agree with you that's -EV for the investor. If he's just selling off the rest of the action he can't afford where he's taking a percentage of both the win and losses then it shouldn't matter if he plays one hand or one million hands.
I'm not saying it's ok to do. You shouldn't ever make a deal and back out unless something unusual happens.

Sick And Tired Of Blacks

I believe you are correct. I may not know what an advantage player is. I assume they only play video poker when they have an advantage. My experience tells me they wouldn't play many hands. I have played video poker at numerous casinos around the country. When I plug the payouts into my VPW software, it tells me 99% of the games are negative. I always use a player's card wherever I play. When I check their comps, they are never enough to overcome the negative odds.
I asked a question on another forum once. I challenged anyone to give me an example of a video poker game where the player had an advantage. The only answer I got was scalping Ultimate X multipliers. I went to my local casino to check this out. I found a few. So what do I do after I played that hand? Does an AP walk around the Ultimate X games waiting for someone to leave? This is not playing video poker. This seems like garbage picking. If I walk around the casino looking for tickets on the floor, is that advantage play?
I told you why I play the way I do. The math says I'm saving money by doing so. No one here is going to play single coin quarters, I get that. What APs do does not work for me. I don't have the games, discipline, skill or endurance. I'm not alone.

Fallacy math, I think it's obvious. You're counting hands played and not coins gambled. Have to compare apples to apples. Maybe per chance you could try stuffing as many people possible into the seat next. Five people betting 1 coin together think about it.

Fallacy math, I think it's obvious. You're counting hands played and not coins gambled. Have to compare apples to apples. Maybe per chance you could try stuffing as many people possible into the seat next. Five people betting 1 coin together think about it.

The factor you are missing in your calculations is 'playing time'. This is very important to a Recreational player. We play video poker for entertainment. Playing single coin extends playing time.
The Beau Rivage in Biloxi will fly you there and back for free. You will be stuck in their casino for 3 days. All the games are 97%. I can tell you from experience in three days of playing max coin quarter 97% video poker, you will lose around $1,500 unless you hit a royal which only happens a few times a year. These are nice trips. The Beau Rivage is a beautiful hotel.
Playing single coin quarters at the Beau Rivage kills time. I pull my card when I do so. It's practically the same as not playing. It's a way to hold down the cost of playing bad games and it works. The trick is finding the correct amount of max coin play to satisfy MGM so they invite you back. The gamble is you will hit a $62.50 royal. You will save more money doing this than playing max coins the whole time.
None of this has anything to do with Advantage Play. That is a different world of VP. If the Beau Rivage had better games, I would play max coins all the time. They don't, so I don't

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